Sunday, September 20, 2009

View From A High Horse


Do you remember this post?
http://blessourhearts.blogspot.com/2009/09/its-been-day-but-good-one.html
The one where I gave the girl a ride who was from Turkey but who had been adopted by a mixed-race couple?

I had written the words:

I got myself so worked up over the old guy at the dump I almost went and told him off but I didn't and I don't know if I should be proud of myself or ashamed.

That's what I wrote and it was honest. I did not know.

Today, after cleaning out the chicken coop and doing some garden weeding I loaded up the trunk of the car with the garbage and the recycle and I went down to the dump place.
The old white guy was there.
The one who told the girl I gave a ride to that it wasn't safe to walk down Highway 158 because "black people lived there."

I popped my trunk to get my garbage out and the old white man came out of the little shelter to help me and he said, "I really appreciate your giving a ride to that girl last week."

"No problem," I said, heaving my trash into the proper receptacles.

And then something came over me. I wish I could say I trembled or that I felt moved by the spirit or something equally as spiritual but it was as pragmatic and cold as anything I've ever felt.

"I have to tell you something," I said, refusing his help in getting my recycle to the proper bin.
"That girl? She told me that you told her that walking down that road was dangerous because black people lived there. And I think that was so offensive and so ignorantly prejudiced. And not only that, her father is black."

I dumped my paper and cardboard into the blue receptacle and continued on with my tirade.

"And besides that, I have walked down that road many times and the only time I've ever felt threatened was when I was in a white neighborhood with bad dogs."

He looked at me and said, "Well I'm sorry if I offended anyone but you read about these things all the time happening in Tallahassee."

"I've lived in Lloyd for five years," I said, "And I've lived in the south my whole life and I just think that what you said was prejudiced and offensive and you don't know what you're talking about."

I looked at him cruelly. I did. And he's just an old white man in his seventies who has retired and who can't stand just hanging out feeling useless so who got a part time job at the DUMP.

And then he said it. He said, "My sister got raped twenty years ago by a nigger. And I guess I never got over it."

I didn't even hesitate.

"So if your sister had gotten raped by a white man, you'd hate the entire white race?" I asked. I did not stop to say I was sorry his sister had gotten raped. I just leaped into my argument.

"I don't hate any entire race," he said. "I have lots of friends who are niggers." (Yes. He said this.)
I don't hate them. I give them fish and venison. I do what I can for them whenever I can."

"And yet," I said, "You call them that hateful name. That is a HATEFUL word."

And then he went off on how the jails are filled with niggers. That is proof of his argument that black people are dangerous.
I didn't have time to go into the cultural reasons of why there are more black men in prison than white. All I said was, "Yeah, because if you're poor and black, you can't hire a lawyer to get you out of prison the way you can if you have money and you're white."

He wasn't buying it. "You read about it every day," he said. He was angry. But I was too.

"So if your sister had been raped by a white man," I repeated,"You'd be afraid of the danger of all white men? I don't think so."

"You don't know what you're talking about," he said.

I finished dumping my paper into the recycle bin. He was still talking to me.
I got in my car and I drove away.

And I didn't feel good.
And I still don't.
There is that part of me which says speak the truth and fear no man.
And there is that part of me which says that he's an old man and nothing I can say will ever change what he thinks.

So tell me. Did I do the right thing in confronting him? If so, why don't I feel better about it? Should I have approached him in a more loving way? A way that would have given him room to think about what I said?
I think so.
And yet, I didn't. I coldly and sternly told him what I thought. He said ignorant and prejudiced things. And then- he responded with a word that I can hardly believe anyone would use in these days and times.
Nigger.

And I should feel so self-satisfied that I confronted such prejudice straight-on.
But I don't.

And yet- this is the perfect example of racism- blaming an entire race for the actions of one. Taking one situation and making it into an excuse to hate and to call people loathsome names.
I don't feel guilty about what I did but I don't feel great about it either.

What do you think? Have you ever been in a situation like this? What did you? How did you feel?
Is it our jobs to speak up and expose the racism? Will it do any good?

This old white man always treated me with respect and helped me carry my garbage. And now he's going to see me in a different light.
But I see him in a different light too.
We both showed each other our true faces.
He was hateful and yet, I was hateful to him.

I don't think I helped a thing, even though I told him the truth.
So what? The truth is more than obvious. You can't judge an entire group of people with dark skin on the actions of one. The word "nigger" is obscene. He knows this. You can't be alive in 2009 and not know this.
So what did my words do?

Not only to him, but to me.
What did my words accomplish?
Did they let in any light or did they just close the lid tighter on his darkness?

Tell me what you think because I honestly don't know how I feel.

33 comments:

  1. No regrets. Sometimes speaking up leaves a bad taste in your mouth, even if it is something you have to say. Maybe if you have to approach a similar situation again, you might do it differently. Maybe get that person talking first. Maybe not. You had wanted to say something all those days ago, it makes sense that you didn't let this opportunity get away from you. The fact that he remembered and thanked you for giving her a ride does say something. That he was trying to protect her and really thought he was doing the right thing. But it was good for him to have an opportunity to reflect on his prejudices. You never know what will open someone's eyes. Your words may have done something.

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  2. I think it's something similar to what I felt last summer when I was standing in the middle of an airport, screaming at my stepfather into my cell phone for being so awful to me. For having been awful for so many years but mixing them with cruel-kindness so that I didn't know who was the bad person in any given situation. I couldn't say he had been BAD to me -hadn't he taught me how to drive? Shown me certain kinds of support? Claimed to love me? But hadn't he also handed me years upon years of witnessing emotional abuse, years of listening to him fight with my mother every morning? Hadn't he also sucked me into his emotional vortex with an intensity that should never have been invested upon me, a child?

    I yelled, and cried, and it should have felt good. But it didn't -it felt AWFUL. One year later, I still feel bad I said those things. Not so much that they weren't true, or that I didn't mean them, it was just --it didnt do any good. No matter what I said, he would be convinced he was right and I would also be convinced he was wrong. Neither of us would change the other's minds.

    I imagine this is how you are feeling...relieved in a sense that you stood up for what you felt was right, but not happy about the way you went about it and not at all happy about the end result of him ultimately not changing a bit (at least, not that he would ever admit to you).

    Political debate, social debate, trying to make everyone see things the way you want them to is exhausting. It almost never works, and yet we try. We try and we try, and it's all we can do. You tried, in your way, to get him to see that things aren't always black and white (no pun intended).

    Even if he didn't fall down and agree with you right then and there, he heard what you said. And he's probably thinking about them right now. He's taking his thoughts and examining them, and its really truly all you can ask.

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  4. you judged him on his actions and words spoken in your presence while he was making his own judgments based on anger, fear and bad stereotypes.

    you called it like you saw it and i dont think that's hateful, just honest.

    just because we speak out doesnt mean our voices are always heard.

    always telling the ugly truth is 10001x better than telling a pretty lie.

    you are my hero for doing this.

    xxalainaxx

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  5. Have to say, you have some big balls.

    You did what you felt was best. I doubt it will make him think twice, but you said your peace.

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  6. Hmmm, what would the perfect person have said? Who gives a fuck, we are none of us perfect. Will he think about what you said? He probably will. It may not change him, but he will think about it. All we can do is speak for what we think is right, even if we do so in a flawed and human way. How else could you have said what you did? You spoke the truth and sometimes the truth is blunt. Also, I've noticed, that although some lucky people change for the better because something truly beautiful happens to them, but more often we change because the way we are is no longer comfortable. He has, perhaps, lived a life where it was comfortable to say such ugly words, where it was comfortable to explain away hate by a horrific act, but no matter how old he is his views on black people are harmful and unacceptable. It is not your job to continue to make him feel comfortable. And, if your words made him uncomfortable, good.
    Obviously they made you a little uncomfortable, and so no matter how I feel that what you said was right, you may choose to speak differently next time something like this comes up. I don't think you feel wrong about speaking up, I think you are just worried that you could have done it differently. Which makes me feel good because I know that you, Sweet Mama, speak your mind and it is a good mind with a strong and clear channel to your very impressive heart, and that can only make the world a better place.
    If we always pause to find the best way to approach a situation, we may find there is no best way.
    I thought about you today when I gave a dollar to a homeless kid for bus fare. He didn't ask for it, but he had no shoes and he wanted directions to TCC. He said, "What if I'm an alcoholic, and I spend it on beer?" and I said, "Well then, I hope you enjoy your beer." We've talked about that, how it's really none of our business what people do with what we give them. That's like this. You gave that man something of value, how he spends it is up to him.

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  7. I am going to make an educated guess here: you don't feel good because nothing was resolved and there is neither resolution nor closure to an injustice. And you are the kind of person who is willing to pay a high price for justice - you are paying it now with your discomfort and your uncertainty about whether or not you did the right thing, for instance - and this "unfinished business" with no closure is like poison ivy: if you scratch it is bound to be worse and if you don't you go crazy.

    You did the right thing and without calling that poor ignorant soul a pig, I will tell you what my nana told me many years ago: Don't ever try to teach a pig how to sing, they don't understand harmony and in the end the pig will get really annoyed at you and
    kick enough mud at you to make you feel dirty. Be at peace with your self Ms.Moon, the truth is how we see it and we can never look through other people's eyes at it.

    PS: I keep on checking for news ;)

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  8. May is right on - how he spends it is up to him.

    I am very proud of you because you stood up and said BULLSHIT. You brought it out to the light and you said THAT IS WRONG. Because it is. And you are right.

    This is not easy to do these things, and you should feel good in your courage. Because if we do not speak out for people, then what happens? Hate is perpetuated.

    You don't have to convince him right now to have value in what you said. Maybe he will think about it differently or maybe you'll just be that crazy hippie chick with the recycling, but it doesn't matter. You spoke up and it was brave and true. And that matters.

    About feeling icky? I always feel that way after a confrontation, even when I have to do it. When I have erred, I apologize, but even when I absolutely had to call out somebody, it always feels off. I don't know why - I'm sure I was trained to avoid conflict because I'm a woman. (Mind you I'm not meek at all, but doing the sort of thing you did - I have to pull together all my energies and it wipes me out.)

    Give yourself some time and if you still feel icky, you can talk to him again. You can apologize for being more aggressive than you intended to be, and you didn't mean to disrespect him and make him feel bad, but this issue is one that's so important and you can't hold your tongue.

    Because what is he teaching his grandchildren?

    I don't think you had a choice. When faced with something as ugly as racism, you have to speak up. Otherwise you're complicit.

    I'm proud of you for facing it head-on!!

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  9. by the way I have a funny story about speaking up to racism - I somehow ended up on a yacht with a person I knew vaguely - and turns out all the damn friends were racist and kept going on anti-Mexican tirades. I was on a boat. Far from shore. With racists. And I can't be quiet about that.

    So of course I called all the complaints ridiculous and argued out the points and then stormed off to the head where I locked myself in to avoid becoming shark bait.

    At least you got to drive away!

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  10. My husband always says that taking advice is like shopping at a grocery store, you only take what you want.

    I think you were right in standing up for what you believe is right and is the truth, but everyone has their own version of the truth. May is right, having your personal truth challenged isn't always comfortable. The question I have is if you are okay with leaving things the way that they are, or if you need to clean it up so it's not wasted energy on your part.

    What I have learned about you from reading your blog, is that who you are is an extremely loving person. I think how you approached the situation was out of integrity of who you truly are, loving, and that's why it doesn't feel great. If you were in integrity with your self, would you have taken more care with your words? Maybe, but that can't be changed now.

    If this is really bothering you, clean up the relationship with him. It doesn't mean you have to agree with him or he with you, but find some way to be okay with seeing him weekly, or daily or however often you see him. Be in integrity with yourself and love him, just not what he stands for. It's like the acorn/oak tree analogy you used before, it takes a lot of acorns to make an oak tree. It might take a lot of conversations and love to change an old man's mind.

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  11. I can't stop commenting! OK, this is the last time ... for tonight.

    First, let's remember Martin Niemoeller. You know ...
    First they came for the Communists,
    and I didn’t speak up,
    because I wasn’t a Communist.
    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn’t speak up,
    because I wasn’t a Jew.
    Then they came for the Catholics,
    and I didn’t speak up,
    because I was a Protestant.
    Then they came for me,
    and by that time there was no one
    left to speak up for me.

    Speaking out against ignorance and hate is such a POWERFUL tool, but it's not always easy or comfortable.

    The problem is when we don't speak out, when we let it slide by, when we insulate ourselves in little pockets and don't venture into the messy world. I've known too many victims of genocide and other hate, and I just have wonder - what would have been different in, say, Liberia, if more people had said, "Hey, hating somebody because of their tribe is wrong and ignorant and unacceptable."

    And, I'm worried about where we as a nation are teetering now - so much galvanizing and ridiculous rhetoric. And far too few people saying, "Hey! Stop that! We need to get along. Stop forcing stereotypes and bigotry - get over that and move on and live together as a people. And I will call you out when you slip back to hating. Because I love you, and I love us."

    So really Mary, calling him out on his hate - that was a tremendous act of love. Really.

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  12. I may not be able to say exactly what I think here, but I'll give it a shot.

    I think you feel uncomfortable self abasing any time you are in conflict because of your survivor past. I think you spoke your truth in the only way you knew how in the moment. Add to that the stress of waiting for Owen and you have the perfect storm.. I think it's great that you spoke your truth. Yes, you could have done it in a way that was less harsh, but then you probably wouldn't have been able to stay on point or maybe even do it at all.

    If you feel badly, there is no harm in approaching him again next time you see him. Just tell him that you weren't intending on picking an argument that day, you just had to speak your mind. That you were sorry about not what you said, but the way you said it. I'm sure he's heard worse in his life.

    You did fine baby. You're just not used to speaking up like that. It's ok. He most likely needed to hear it. Maybe now he'll be better able to reconcile his demons before he dies.

    I'm proud of you Ms Moon.
    xo pf

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  13. What bothers me is that he didn't even feel a little bit bad about using that word and saying what he did. Being face-to-face with ignorance and hate hurts your soul.

    I think I'd wait to see if he brings any of this up when you go back there again. Otherwise, I'd go on with my business and ignore him or keep it superficial. If he broaches the subject, you can see how that goes.

    He knows how you feel, and you told him the truth. That got me when he said you don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, right.

    This kind of thing bothers me, too, and takes me a while to get over it. Hope you do it soon!

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  14. Hmmm. Whenever I get into situations like this, I wonder how I might feel if I were dying. If you were dying, would you be glad that you'd stated to this racist how offended you were by his statement? I can't answer that for you, but I imagine from the little bit I know of you through your writing that you would feel peace that you'd done the "right" thing. The only "better" way to handle these things, I'm afraid, is by suddenly becoming some sort of Zen master, I think. Then a perfect, perfect, puzzling koan or something would rise up from you and out of your lips and the other person would be felled. Sadly, though, this is improbable. You did the right thing, your right thing, in that moment. The reason why you feel icky about it is because that man is icky and he exists and he probably won't change because of you.

    Rest easy. You did the right thing.

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  15. I think. That while a solitary stand may ultimately make no difference, it is worth it for what it is. A statement. A stand.

    Of course he acted defensively. Of course he was angry. He was never going to see the light and fall at your feet in gratitude.

    But he'll think about it. It will scratch at him. And that's about as much difference you can make to a lifetime of conditioning.

    But you weren't wrong, even if the confrontation left you feeling bad.

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  16. i read this when i woke up this morning:

    http://theexaminedlife-sheria.blogspot.com/2009/09/exploding-dream-deferred.html

    thank you again for having the courage to speak out.

    xxalainaxx

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  17. i'm proud of you for going out of your comfort zone to confront this dude; most people never do, which is why perhaps he thinks it is acceptable to speak this way. He may not completely change his thinking because of you, but at least you signaled that speaking this way is not cool...maybe he'll think twice before saying a similar comment to the next person.

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  18. I've had arguments like that, and I've never felt they made a difference. But I would not like to be the kind of person who doesn't speak up any more.

    I think you did what you needed to do, for you. And maybe this will make him a bit more aware of the possibility of other opinions.

    Right or wrong? I don't think that's the right question. And even if it was, there's no answer.

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  19. I think his darkness will persist. But that doesn't extinguish your light.

    I've lost many people because I spoke my mind about this or other equally important subjects. I think it's worth it.

    If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything.

    Bravo for brave Ms.Moon.

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  20. Steph- Yes. See- even in the most prejudiced of people there is an element of something which can be good and I recognize that in this man. I suppose that is a big part of what made me feel bad.

    SJ- Your comment felt close to home. I appreciate it and understand. Thank-you.

    Miss A- "always telling the ugly truth is 10001x better than telling a pretty lie." Good thought.
    And that other blog? Makes me feel better about what I did.

    Angie- Ha! I have no balls at all and my ovaries are shrunken up with age. Which perhaps leaves me free to say what I really think. I don't know.

    May- Oh girl. You make me know I've done a few things right in this world. Thank-you.

    Ms. Allegra- "the truth is how we see it and we can never look through other people's eyes at it."
    I know. That's what bothers me, I guess.

    Ms. Nola- "Otherwise you're complicit." Exactly. That's how I felt. And yes, thank god I wasn't on a boat. Jesus. Thank-you for all of your thoughts. They're good ones.

    J- I might have to do that and you know what? I don't want to. Anyone who uses that word in this day and time in a public place has such great wells of hate that I don't really want to get close to them. But I may have to talk to him again.

    Ms. Fleur- Well, I certainly made him have new thoughts about ME! Oh well.

    Joy- I may take that path.

    Elizabeth- Yes, I thought of my friend who meditates every morning and I hope he reads this and gives me his thoughts on it because there might have been a better way to handle it. And you know what? We are ALL dying. Every one of us all the time. So...Thank-you.

    Ms. Jo- Thank-you.

    Ms. Eden- He might. He might not. But I did my part. I guess.

    Mwa- You're right. There may be no right answer.

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  21. Tiff- No. Don't bravo me. But thank-you and yes, if we all spoke out against hatred, maybe we WOULD make a difference. It's hard, though, isn't it? But sometimes impossible not to.

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  22. Nothing says you can't go talk to him again right? Bring him some eggs, thank him for listening, wish him well.

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  23. Juancho- That would be a loving thing to do. I don't know if I am that loving. Maybe.

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  24. I think it is a good thing that you gave him some food for thought including that this girl's dad is black. But you have to know that he will not change, nor will so many others, especially those of his age.
    I really think that so many things have changed and will change with this new generation coming up. Although my kids are very confused as to why many of their Black classmates call each other the N word. Things are complicated and not easily explained.

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  25. Ms. Moon, I suspect that you feel bad for the very simple reason that it wasn't the way you wanted it to come out.

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  26. I think you did the right thing. You have given this old coot something to think about. He reacted the way he did because he is not used to being confronted. You are in an area where people don't stir up the waters on this issue. I know because I'm from a similar place. People are tired of it. It wasn't settled all those years ago, so it was just masked and no one wants to start all that up again. I know you know exactly what I am talking about.

    I would act as though nothing had happened the next time you see him. You had your say. Then he can see you the way he used to see you. And that will make him think even harder (maybe) about what you said. You are a sensible person after all.

    This is an optimist's view, I know. I can't help myself. As someone I know says, if good weren't the predominant force in us, we would have destroyed the human race eons ago.

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  27. Dear Ms. Moon,
    You did the brave and the right thing, but I certainly understand your feelings. The only thing any of us can do is to try and do the right thing in life.

    I must admit I'm getting more angry at the world and more mouthy about injustices, too. I got into a big fight with my cousins over gay marriage around a campfire one night. I went huffing home. I just left. I know that my behaviour didn't change a damn thing, but I just can't sit by silently and have people assume I feel the same way, when I CERTAINLY DO NOT.

    Your heart was in the right place. The old man's was not. Stopp beating yourself up. It's over and done. That moment is gone.

    I love you so, and I admire what you did. It makes me proud to be your friend.

    SB

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  28. You were not hateful, you were honest and true to yourself. Being on the receiving end of racism myself (as recently as yesterday)I can tell you how hurtful it is. My partner is Tunisian. I am white, British living in England. In Tunisia, I am accepted fully into that part of the family. Here, I am "that white English woman". I am not even allowed to sit in the car, at night, a street away from the house to wait while he runs an errand there. It was the end of Ramadan yesterday... Eid, the time when families are supposed to come together and celebrate the New Year. I sat at home, on my own, fixing my temperamental lap top and then emailled a lovely lady who replied to me today with such kindness I had to reach for the kleenex! She knows who she is... thank you x

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  29. Being right doesn't always feel good. But I think you did the right thing. Years from now, you'd probably regret if you had the chance to stand up for what's right and didn't take it.

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  30. Michele Renee- I know I didn't change him. And you're right- the future is our children. No two ways around that.

    Ms. Lo- I don't know about that. I didn't think it would come out much differently than it did. I had no expectations. I certainly did not expect him to start flinging the N word around, though. That was just incredibly shocking to me.

    Glimmer- "As someone I know says, if good weren't the predominant force in us, we would have destroyed the human race eons ago."
    Thank-you for that. I have thought about all day now.

    SB- And I am SO proud to be your friend. Always...Ms. Moon

    Ms. Lilacs- Thank-YOU for commenting. Racism knows no bounds, does it? It is hateful no matter who is hating and who is on the receiving end and damages both.

    Rachel- I have had too many of those moments. You're right. I'm old and I'm not going to be silent any more.

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  31. Ms. Moon, I think that you are brave. I think that you have a beautiful spirit. Maybe you didn't change his way of thinking but you challenged his beliefs, you made it clear that his beliefs were not endorsed by everyone. You refused to tolerate bigotry. You made me feel hopeful in the midst of my despair that we, as a nation, are doomed to be forever mired in hate. For that, I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

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  32. Sheria- Like I said on the above comment, I am too old to let things like this go unremarked upon. I can't live with myself if I do.

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  33. I think it's a good thing you spoke up. I think he was bound to be defensive, most people are when confronted. It doesn't mean you should have behaved differently, and it certainly doesn't mean he won't think about it later. I bet he will think about it quite a lot. Hopefully some of what you said will sink in!

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